American children are dumber than ever!

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  1. 86mcss

    86mcss Devouring your Soul

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    For the first time in American history the current generation will not surpass its elders in any way possible. Other than being able to send over 5000k text messages a month.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20154358

    there are other links out there but this one had what i felt was the best story, for those of you who like to cry about things.
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  2. Steve Juneau

    Steve Juneau I am teh em0z LULZ

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  4. 86mcss

    86mcss Devouring your Soul

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    86mcss Devouring your Soul

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  7. Torx

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    blame it on the sports, movies, tv, music, and overall push to push out ignorant babies.
    bring back the eugenics program!!!




    notsrs.
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  8. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    I hate to say it. While cruel and rather barbaric, MSP speaks a lot of logic/true-isms when he clamours on about cleansings of the gene pool.

    You want to see smart and resourcefull? watch a show called "Alaska, The Last Frontier".
    The Kilcher's may seem like hicks, but just try to do what 3-4 generations of Kilcher's have done.
    Those are my kind of people!

    Instead, these shows grab the young american interests: http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d281c11a96b4ad082fe88aa0db04305/Article_2012-12-08-Manchin-Buck Wild/id-a2d99c87f89948748ec141753adcf1f8
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  9. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    What I think would be best for humanity would be for natural selection to be reintroduced. If you want a comfortable life you have to work for it. Choose whatever lifestyle you want and can afford. The trouble with safety nets is that there are so many people using them as a hammock that the support structure holding them up (me, Mr Taxpayer) is starting to fray. Why should our kids strive to be better in their academics and work? A comfortable life is guaranteed.
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  10. JZL

    JZL Ministry of Whack

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    I question how comfortable it is to live at or below the poverty level, though one would have to acknowledge it's more comfortable than it was 40-50 years ago. There is probably more ignorance about it. One guy I know has it in is head all the poor people are sitting at home with 50" TV's lying on their couches.

    There's probably less of the ethic about waiting to have kids til you can afford them.

    THAT SAID, I remember an article I read about how the world's population growth was already beginning to slow, especially in the first world, where there was already population decline in a few countries. Italy comes to mind. What surprised me was that a large part of this was attributed to women's rights, and in particular the ability of women to choose to delay the onset of childbirthing and -rearing, or not to bear children at all. So maybe there's hope.
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  11. MSP

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    The poverty line is measured in dollars. When you have a guaranteed roof over your head, three meals a day, and now free medical care, why on Earth would you need money? I would imagine that the projects all have free basic cable and internet too. Not exactly what I would call "poor".
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  12. Commissar Smersh

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    There should be a comfortable living floor, after all we are the richest and arguably most powerful country on the planet. I'd say that if we've guaranteed our population a roof, three meals a day and basic healthcare (which we have not yet, btw) then we're doing quite alright. People need money for many things still.

    Want to eat out someplace not McDs? Yup, that costs money.

    Don't want to spend every single day working? Vacations cost money.

    Want a hobby other than hanging around the neighborhood? Yup, you guessed it, it costs money.
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  13. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    This process has been happening for a very long time. Robert Heinlein was writing about this as far back as the '50's, for goodness sakes! He had a very nice essay where he contrasted his father's education with his own with the current system of the time, to show how teaching curriculum deteriorated over that time.

    "Uncomfortable" is a sliding scale to measure with. The poorest of poor US Citizens are insanely wealthy in comparison to "just about average" in most developing Countries.
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  14. Commissar Smersh

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    Heinlein also wrote stories requiring citizens to serve in the military before being able to vote. While one of my favorite authors (Jubal Harshaw ;) ), he's hardly the best to base society on, let alone modern society. Though, not sure what author has the best truly utopian future modeled at the moment.
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  16. MSP

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    We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Our standing in the word and wealth wasn't built on guaranteed comfort, and it certainly won't be maintained by it.
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  17. Commissar Smersh

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    Sure it was. America become great after the First World War and the Depression, before then it was one of many world powers not the sole superpower. FDR and The New Deal saved this country from the ruin it was facing with the economic collapse. Social Security, The Housing Administration, etc, all progressive, socialist programs that guaranteed a roof and food.
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  18. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    Actually, it was the enforced saving and rationing during World War II, followed by the total economic basket case that was all of Europe, combined with our post war industrial machine, that guaranteed those things. We no longer pay for our wars now. In fact a large part of our debt problem now is from Bush lowering taxes while fighting a super-expensive war. Unpaid for. Using a Volunteer Army, so folks don't feel any connection to the Wars, beyond some generic "we support our troops" sentiment, where they buy a bumper sticker and think that means they've actually done something... I'm going off on a rant. Sorry...

    That was fiction. I was referring to non-fiction essays on education that he wrote.

    Here's an exerpt. Fair Use!
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  19. mistawiskas

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    Our education system sucks and that's only getting worse.
    We are still on top. We are in decline, while others are on their way up.
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  20. MSP

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    Yep. And now China is rising in the same way we did. Hard work and manufacturing power, as we sit around and feel entitled. The similarities between the USA today and post WWI Europe are many.

    Somebody had to actually pay for FDR's programs. Hence the problem with liberalism, sooner or later somebody has to produce.
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  21. Goofus Maximus

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    Rather, the problem with a bad liberal/conservative marriage, where the conservatives get the "don't pay" part, and the liberals get the "spend" part.;) Germany does just fine with their nanny-state, since they pay as they go. There's an interesting contrast for you; what is the difference between Northern European liberals and Southern European liberals, that makes liberalism work in the Cold Northern Climes, while it just doesn't, in the warm, comfortable Southern Climate?

    Also, we were hugely in debt at the end of WW-II. Remember all those "Buy War Bonds!" drives? Da Gubbamint had to pay all that back, as well as pay for the GI Bill that sent many returning soldiers to college.

    Also, remember all those World War II era "Buy War Bonds!" posters? By the end of World War 2, those bonds all had to be paid back. It was Government debt. Also, the tax rates on the extremely wealthy was around 90% back then, since high income at that time was considered to be nothing more than war profiteering. The argument has been made by some that the rise of the middle class was in large part due to suppression of management's tendency to give themselves huge pay and bonus packages, due to those high tax brackets.

    China isn't quite rising the way we were. Their boom is fueled in large part by opaque behind-the-scenes shenanigans that seems so typical of Asian political systems. These problems will always end up biting them in the arse, just as happened with Japan.
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    The Germans are hard working and industrious, and value education. And their people are sick and tired of fitting the bill for the lazy and corrupt Italians, Greeks, Spanish, etc. Same reason why the hard working and industrious people of Ohio and Texas don't want to fit the bill for California and New York.
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  23. Commissar Smersh

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    American liberals haven't said they don't want to pay for programs. The problem as Goofus mentioned, is that conservatives get into power and cut taxes as a populism piece. A progressive tax system is wonderful for a society as it prevents extreme economic stratification and encourages a healthy middle class.
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    Human nature says that liberalism doesn't want to pay for programs. I've used the example of a pride of lions given an unlimited food supply before. Eventually they stop hunting, and when the food runs out they starve. Unfortunately homo sapiens are a virus, and liberals the most virulent and deadly strain.

    It's also important to remember that FDR's programs are bankrupt at this point. Both parties are to blame for this, but it illustrates the trouble with a federal government in a nation as large and diverse as the USA. Stronger state powers would make everybody happy. The individual states can do as they wish, and can afford.
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  25. Goofus Maximus

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    They're hard working and industrious... and quite liberal. American Liberals have wet dreams about the German system, and Conservatives would gnash their teeth over the tax and spend policies that Germany has. :) Ditto for all the Nordic Liberal Governments. In the South, such as Italy and Greece, it's corruption, lack of tax enforcement, and "borrow and spend" policies, rather than liberalism itself, which has caused their downfall.

    Responsibility is a problem with conservatism as well as liberalism. Reagan, despite being deified by the Norquistian crowd, was a responsible Conservative, who raised taxes when he saw that taxes needed to be raised. Modern "no taxes at all ever" conservatives are just as irresponsible in their fiscal policies as ever the liberals were. I don't think it's FDR's policies that were bankrupt, but our current attitudes of not being taxed, while still getting services, that is bankrupt.

    Oh, and HAPPY BIRTHDAY MSP! You are a fine debate partner! :)
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