2016 US Election MEGATHREAD: JZL likes it sticky

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  1. Commissar Smersh

    Commissar Smersh 2020 Staff Member

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    As much as Trump is a nationalist, racist megalomaniac he's better than all but a handful of the GOP contenders (and maybe Hillary). Ugh.
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    I thought the choices were bad 4 years ago.
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    log1c The Underwriter

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    "People are talking about this, I didn't bring it up." - Donald Trump classic cop out
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    Trump flip flops like all the rest of them.
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    Yes, he just does it without the shackles of political correctness.
    Entertaining.
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    Why would he not talk up what he's done? I also like that the first point is that he undercounted job creation.
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    He also undercounted job losses. Numbers don't lie, but politicians that quote them do. All in all, it was politics as usual.
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    We're beyond jobs. It's time for basic income.
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    We can raise the incomes all we want. But will it translate to jobs that pay those incomes? I guess the only thing we can do is damn the torpedoes and go full speed ahead.
    Personally, I want to find out. Raise the minimum wage to 15.00 and see what transpires. If there's so much at stake to get a degree and have the good paying jobs, then
    education seems like it should be a huge national priority. The only thing I see happening there is a huge amount of personal debt being heaped on young people trying to acquire
    those degrees. A lot are ending up with crap jobs that pay at or slightly above minimum wage. Meanwhile, financial institutions are holding better than 1.2 trillion dollars in
    outstanding student loans that the people have no legal way to discharge. Affordable education needs to have a national solution other than being a campaign ploy/promise.
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    JZL Ministry of Whack

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    Every time the minimum wage is raised, people have more money to spend and the economy does not recess.

    Education is important but not necessarily liberal arts. Make public universities free but way more selective. Reduce HS to a 3 year program and add a free 2 year vo-tech system for those not going to university. Make student loans dischargeable or forgive-able after 10 years or millenials wont be buying houses or having kids (economy stimulation again).
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    What about when the raise is >50%? Before the raise in min wage was lots lower than that. I'm curious to see what happens if that kind of cost of doing business is forced and passed on.
    Income inequality is totally a huge concern. I don't see easy fixes changing much for long though. The problem is much deeper than wages. It may take a fundamental change in basic human nature to really change anything. I don't have any confidence that politics-as-usual will accomplish anything.
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    Stephen Colbert, that is. Since Trump backed out of the Iowa debate because Megyn Kelly was a moderator, Colbert came up with this.
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    Calling Megan Kelly a moderator? Since when can a moderator actively single out a debate participant for the purpose of pushing an agenda? Fox has been actively
    campaigning against Trump to push the candidate they want to endorse. I wouldn't blame any candidate for skipping that kind of treatment. I'm not a trump supporter,
    but I saw that manipulation and didn't like it.
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    The bit wasn't about Megyn Kelly, it was about Trump debating himself, though apparently he used to think she was super-awesome. I haven't seen any of the debates, so I didn't see what she did. She seems the most neutral of all the Fox whores, but what you say doesn't surprise me, because she is, after all, still a Fox whore.
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    That's for sure.
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    In particular that commentator lauds Trump for pointing out the weakness of "the ruling class" (or at least, for now, the GOP version of it) . . .

    To understand how that could possibly be, understand what he's not arguing.
    The typical critique of politics today is that the ruling class has been corrupted by privilege. There's too much money in politics; there's too much of a cult of access; the tropes go on and on. Trump's not saying that. Instead, he's saying, the ruling class has been corrupted by foolishness. The problem isn't that "the politicians" have vanished behind the velvet rope. It's that they've vanished up their own rear ends. o_Oo_Oo_O
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    Yeah, when any politician tells you that they tell the truth, they are always lying.
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    Jeb! is gone.

    Wow. He was the preemptive favorite for the GOP in mid 2015.